{"id":1952,"date":"2010-01-14T11:20:58","date_gmt":"2010-01-14T16:20:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/2010\/01\/14\/fun-with-church-signs-4\/"},"modified":"2010-01-14T11:20:58","modified_gmt":"2010-01-14T16:20:58","slug":"fun-with-church-signs-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/2010\/01\/14\/fun-with-church-signs-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Fun with church signs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A local church recently changed its sign to read:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Begin to weave and God will provide you with the thread.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;ve heard a similar statement made by Christians trying to &quot;convert&quot; those of different religious persuasions, but it goes something like, &quot;Just have faith in Jesus and He will show Himself to you.&quot; This isn&#8217;t something that is used only by fundamentalists or TV evangelists. I&#8217;ve heard it from far more moderate sects.<\/p>\n<p>The problem, of course, is that it&#8217;s a &quot;cart before the horse&quot; sort of thing. The request is for someone to reach a conclusion before seeing any evidence&#8230; just have faith in Jesus (the conclusion) and He will show Himself to you (the evidence).<\/p>\n<p>Faith, of course, in a religious context, is belief that is not based on evidence, so the evidence is something that is somewhat irrelevant here, not just because you&#8217;re supposed to get to the conclusion without it, but also because, in this case, it&#8217;s non-existent (before <strong>or<\/strong> after your application of faith). Jesus doesn&#8217;t appear and play a game of Frisbee with people and visions, hearing voices, and Jesus pareidolia don&#8217;t really qualify as &quot;appearing.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>Requesting evidence for religious claims is something that, for some reason, tends to offend a lot of fundamentalists. Not all of them, of course, but enough that it makes them seem a bit disingenuous. If someone makes a claim (Jesus was born of a virgin&#8230; Jesus performed miracles&#8230; Jesus rose from the dead&#8230; Jesus is God&#8230; God is real) without providing supporting evidence, he has no justification for being upset that his claims are dismissed. This, in general, is a huge failure of theists (of any denomination) and is, perhaps, the reason that &quot;faith&quot; is placed in a position of such high regard.<\/p>\n<p>With no evidence to back them up, all they have is faith.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A local church recently changed its sign to read: Begin to weave and God will provide you with the thread. I&#8217;ve heard a similar statement made by Christians trying to &quot;convert&quot; those of different religious persuasions, but it goes something like, &quot;Just have faith in Jesus and He will show Himself to you.&quot; This isn&#8217;t &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/2010\/01\/14\/fun-with-church-signs-4\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Fun with church signs&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[183,190,309,319,381,453],"class_list":["post-1952","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-church-signs","tag-christians","tag-church-signs","tag-evidence","tag-faith","tag-god","tag-jesus","entry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1952","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1952"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1952\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1952"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1952"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.rationalitynow.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1952"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}